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15 years 11 months ago - 15 years 11 months ago #190679 by Joedabaker
Karhu Guide binding discussion was created by Joedabaker
I am expanding my skiing horizons to see what all the talk is about the Karhu Guide ski.
I purchased a pair of 195cm Guides.
They may not have the traction that a 185, but I figure if I really need that I will bring some skinny skins with me to get the boost I need.
My main plan is to put a pair of Voile 3-pin cable bindings on them ( I have two pairs), but I had planned to flush mount them on the ski. I talked to a guy at Marmot who suggested a G3 15mm shim to avoid the binding catching on steeper terrain. (It's been so long since I used a conventional 3-pin I forgot about the binding hitting the steeper terrain.)
I started thinking about this and wondered what others use for TELEMARK bindings on this ski.
I'm considering the shim/riser plate and throwing a heel climbing wire on it too. Just not sure what size wire. I was thinking the longest wire, because I can get by on most terrain without a climbing wire, but steeper is a little bit more difficult on the legs.
I figure the ski is relatively worthless on ice, both going up and down, but sometimes in the corn season I have to go up in ice to ski down in corn.
Anyone put a voile fixed crampon on these?

Just throwing it out to see others response, before I set a plan.

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15 years 11 months ago - 15 years 11 months ago #190681 by md2020
Replied by md2020 on topic Re: Karhu Guide binding discussion
Brenda and I have both been using Voile 3pin CRB Hardwires on ours for the last couple of years. If I didn't care about a release function, and didn't have about dozen pairs of of release kits in the garage, I'd probably get a pair of Voile Switchbacks. I've been messing with NTN this year so I'm seriously thinking about mounting a pair on my guides this spring. One thing to keep in mind is that these skis don't have a metal topsheet, it's some kind of composite, and it's recommended that mounting holes use 3.6 mm bit.

Also, forget the skinny skins. You're going to want to take these most places where you'd take "real" skis, and you'll be sidehilling or booting, while everyone else is cruising up some nice long mellow grade. Those fishscales work pretty good, but they're not magic.

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15 years 11 months ago #190682 by Robie
Replied by Robie on topic Re: Karhu Guide binding discussion
My opinion even though I haven't skied these but would like to.
Voile switchbacks or Dynafit TLT .

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15 years 11 months ago #190688 by 261skier
Replied by 261skier on topic Re: Karhu Guide binding discussion
FWIW, I have the Switchbacks on my Guide's and think they're great for this ski if your not trying to shave ounces. These are great skis for wet snow traction. They do OK on cold dry snow. As far as icy condition's are concerned, forget it. In good spring condition's (shallow corn) this ski allows you to use the tall climbing wire on the Switchback without "slideback". I've used this set-up to access the upper reaches of the Alpental valley after closing in the spring. The front pivot point on the Switchback also works better than a standard tele binding for kicking-and-gliding IMO. Also, I have read a few reports online about ice jamming the mechanical part of the Switchback but have never had this problem skiing in Cascadia.

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15 years 11 months ago - 15 years 11 months ago #190689 by Andrew Carey
Replied by Andrew Carey on topic Re: Karhu Guide binding discussion
I would get a pair of switchbacks; i love them on my Volkl Snowwolfs.  I replaced 3-pin hardwires on risers and I would never use the hardwires (I'd carry them in my pack in case of really mucky conditions).  The 3-pin hardwire system w/o the hardwires was really light but the effort saved while climbing and traversing with the switchback is worth the extra weight of have to leave cables/hardwires on.  I'm now tempted to try out some of my old really light spring-type cables Voile used to make in place of the hardwires.  But I probably won't go to the effort because the hardwires give really good downhill control in breakable crust and heavy-wet powder.

The risers don't weigh much. If you decide to go straight 3-pin, I would use a riser, or at least a voile wedge to account for rocker launch if you are using a plastic boot (takes a lot of stress off the binding and binding screws).

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15 years 11 months ago #190698 by Gary_H
Replied by Gary_H on topic Re: Karhu Guide binding discussion
Jan and I have had Guides for the last 4 years. They are great low angle touring skis on the waxless bases. We also have straight 80 mm skins for them that increase their climbing efficiency on steeper terrain. Regarding crampons, we have Voile fixed crampon mounts on these skis, they work fine. The only downside to the fixed crampons is the change in stride required to lift the crampon off the snow on the upstride.

Although your post clearly states wanting Telemark binding input, I'll add my two cents worth for an AT mount. Or skis are mounted with Dynafit Comfort bindings and we use 3 buckle Garmont Dynamite boots. As long as you are proficient with Andrew McLean's "Van Halen" technique for switching from ski to tour mode, this is a very efficient touring setup. The Dynamites flex match well with the Guide's stiffness.

Although light, these skis perform well on surprisingly steep slopes on the down hill (especially in good corn snow) and their light weight makes them a good choice if the trip requires a long approach with skis and boots on your back.

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