Yes, as Bruce Tremper has written, they're playing Russian roulette with a 100 chamber revolver and 95% of the time they live to ski another day ....author=natefred link=topic=37683.msg152768#msg...
Upright canister stoves really struggle at those temperatures. The water bath would certainly make a real difference. Even better and easier would be to use an inverted canister stove such as MSR Wind...
